I heard some real humility, the other day. My parents, who have owned the same house in Shaker Heights for 45 years, were, in the mid-1960s, asked to a meeting of their neighbors, called by one of our neighbors who had just bought a second house on our street that was for sale and that a black family wanted to purchase. Our neighbor wanted our other neighbors to pool money together to pay him back for the house to keep out the blacks, and then sell to a white family instead, and all our neighborhood but my parents and a few other families from outside "Cleveland" participated in this racist act. And I grew up with these racists, never knowing... and they were the leaders of business and industry here...

That is unreal NEO. So when we talk of humility, here, we need only look a stone's throw away to realize how far our community is from any real socil progress much less enlightenment.

The whole community of interest around Tremont here is a result of "Cleveland" money being spent by "Cleveland" city leadership and highly paid professionals to demolish the home of a poor, mentally disturbed resident - a historic structure in a historic district - under circumstances that may best be described as evil... probably unlawful.

We have seen no humility among the people who caused this harm.

Obviously, these people are not going to be able to demolish all their opposition, just like the old racists of Shaker were not able to keep out all the blacks.

Disrupt IT

i'm sorry, who are you exactly? we havent really met. it seems you dont really post any subject matter, only corrections of *etiquette*

i think we were all just ribbing each other a little. i'm sure if we ran into each other at a pub, we'd buy each other a drink... no?

No "dbra"...I'll be even more direct, turn this around and say...

I'm sorry, but given how people within this conflict have been blistered I think it is necessary to ask specifically why do you "dbra" ask this and whether you are willing or able to extend a notion of respect and if needed desired anonymity to those posting here if they desire it. Within the give and take of recent posts over the last few weeks, I have felt there is quite a bit of really unnecessary personal attacks, revelry and affronts that amount to a unfortunate bullying attitude by some of the people posting. 

Some of these were not simply ribbing nor were they even rubbing, they were mean-spirited and in their own way attacks on the community as a whole. These attacks are a couple of steps over and beyond *etiquette* as you say and I have specifically condemned them as attacks and unnecessary provocations. 

 and so now I guess you are calling me out???

Nope! that is not what I signed onto this list for. You will not get me to dance with you in conflict in that manner. And if the owner of this site or its administrators aren't supporting me, it doesn't matter to me. It will just give me a more clearer indication of what different people's stake in all this are and help so that others can better determine their mindset. I'm quite familiar with "dedicated" community people who state lofty lucid goals that everybody seeks to uphold and when you least expect it they are the first to cave in. I would not be happy if that happened here, but I would not be surprised.

I will underscore that in this circumstance I must ask that I not have folks trying to track me down in the neighborhood based upon the postings that I have put down. That would really chill things out and I think shed some true light upon what a few people have as intentions toward others. 

 I did specifically mention a concern for the climate of people's mental health and I really do think people are about to explode. That is why I'm saying people should step back abit from the edge. The conflict will still be the same but at least you might give yourself a little more space to operate. The pace and trajectory of this spat being pursued is all wrong and definitely doesn't aid those whose houses have been knocked down or to others who face the threat in the future.  People need to figure out how to win battles not perpetually fight them.  I noticed that the site administrators at times apply a heavy dose of cynism  to get by (such is the case in norm's vindication of your behavior which was entitled..."How may we not be disturbed" and also revealed in "Real people are expecting real humanity". Whelp unfortunately I can match all that and up the ante if needed. I'm just asking for this site to abide by it's own slogan..."get real" and not go overboard.