Resale Issues in a poor economy

Submitted by DesireeSchmitt on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 19:23.

I just viewed a clip this evening and hit Google to find out more...

Congress recently passed a law to protect children under the age of 12 against lead poisoning.  The law was meant to protect against toys poisoned with lead, or lead based paint.  The law is actually very broadly written and also covers clothing... all clothing...

There is also very little guidance about the new law... basically... resale shops have to test every article to prevent against lead content... how will that work if testing costs more than the sale price of the garment?

Why not certify certain manufacturing countries, i.e., manufactured in the US under strict anti-lead laws already in place??  How about certifying suppliers and manufacturers, or brands?  

But this is broad and across the board.  We all have until 2/10/09 to dump our inventories.. and to protect your business... don't accept any more items for kids under 12 years of age.

But that will crush many of us resellers... and what about the families that depend on resale and hand-me-downs to survive?

Especially in this tough time..!!!???!!!

I have lots of new moms who rely on us to keep their kids clothed on very fixed incomes.

We need more specifics on this bill.  We need a repeal/amendment to the law or people on both the supply and demand side will suffer...

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they have got to be joking...

are you fricking kidding me???

we have more lead in our air here in Cleveland than all the chinese clothing imports combined (which if you shop at anywhere other than resale - that is exactly what you are buying)... 

fricking genius... nOw what am I supposed to wear? fricking brilliant. 

FOLKS - DONT SHOP WALMART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

tHAts the way to eliminate contamination in our clothing... 

good god - send email - follow the link

Thanks for the link, dbra!

I voted and I'm circulating to others...

This bill is really super stupid.  I've spent my time in retail and the mark up on children's clothing is CRAZY!  I mean, how can you spend the same amount on a 0-3 mo shirt that a woman size 10 would spend?  

If families under the poverty line, homeless, single parents can't have access to re-sale items... how are they going to afford regular, gouging retail?

And because of the overpriced new goods, and the rapid speed at which infants grow out of their clothes... re-sale has always been popular with this market segment!

I just don't get our leaders anymore... where did all the sense go?

And on top of it - it's a double hit.  First all the manufacturing goes to China.  Cheap manufacturing is cheap because not only do they not pay our wages, but they cut things out like OSHA, or FDA, or any other regulatory body.

And we're suprised to find lead in what comes back?

So kick America with the exodus of manufacturing jobs to China.  Then kick America again, segment by segment with stupid rules to mitigate the reprecussions of this cheap manufacturing fix, that in fact, further punishes hard working American's.

How about SOLVING the problem?

 

I signed - we buy all our clothes used

Older clothes are generally better made and cooler than the crap made in China today - probably made in USA by someone's grandma, and now the grandkids can't afford anything else because stupid leadership in America so ruined the economy.

This bill is designed to benefit WalMart and those other maggot chain China child labor funding poverty palaces that keep our community leaders like Wolstein in Bentleys.

Pathetic - thanks for bringing this up - if it isn't removed from the legislation then we'll create an outlaw trading post for second hand clothes here on real.coop and let the FBI sue and raid the co-op, wherever we are?!?!

Where we will soon be is on a server on an Indian Reservation in Canada, or in Switzerland, where they will have one hell of a time gaining legal access to anyone's intellectual property.

The tighter they make life in the old economy, the faster they drive us to the new economy... which is just fine with me.

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Rally Congress

  It seems that we live in a time of gross stupidity.  If this is a real condition of this legislation, it is sad that we all find out after the fact.  So much legislation is complicated beyond human comprehension...it took me seconds to send in my rebuttal...I feel like I am living out the movie Brazil.

Is that why everybody in

Is that why everybody in a certain nearby neighborhood  is trying to get  rid of their old clothes all of a sudden?  They're trying to unload everything before the deadline 02/10/09.  In other words, charity organizations will not be able to use the donations they get due to the lead content?  So what happens to the stuff if it can't be used or resold? 

Sherrod Brown's Quick response

  Less than a day--impressive:

Dear Ms. Mcshane:

Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R.4040, the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, specifically provisions setting a deadline to prohibit the manufacture and sale of children's products that contain lead and phthalates.

The negative health effects of both these substances have been extensively documented and studied. Research has found phthalates exposure linked to decreased fertility capacity in men, premature birth in women, and asthma symptoms in children. In 2005, a University of Rochester School of Medicine study found that pregnant women with high levels of phthalates in their urine were more likely to give birth to boys with birth defects.

Ingestion and inhalation of lead has long been known to cause damage to the nervous system, with young children especially vulnerable. Lead poisoning can cause blood and brain disorders, as well as gastrointestinal, reproductive, and kidney problems. Although the number of children with elevated blood lead levels has decreased over the past several decades, the treatment of lead poisoning accounts for the vast majority of the $43.4 billion spent on pediatric environmental disease.

To combat childhood exposure to these substances, Congress passed, and the President signed into law, H.R.4040 in the summer of 2008. Provisions of this law require that beginning February 10, 2009, manufacturers of children's products cannot sell children's products that violate lead standards or contain phthalates.

Since passage, many companies and individuals, particularly small manufacturers, have expressed concern that these requirements present a significant hardship. While they express agreement with the need to restrict lead and phthalates, they have asked for some aspects of the legislation to be re-evaluated.

I supported passage of H.R.4040 and strongly agree with the need to keep these dangerous substances away from children. The Consumer Product Safety Commission’s Office of General Counsel has also concluded that products containing high lead content cannot be sold after February 10, 2009. As it relates to phthalates, Congress created a consumer product safety standard which will apply to products manufactured after February 10, 2009. However, as Congress further examines this issue, I will work to see that this legislation does not adversely hurt Ohio’s small business and manufacturing community. Additionally, while I am not currently a member of the Senate Commerce Committee, which has primary jurisdiction over consumer product safety, I will share concerns I have received from constituents with relevant individuals. Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely,
Sherrod Brown

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dont think the response he sent you was personalized, Laura:

Dear Ms. (XXXXinsert my name hereXXX):

Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R.4040, the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, specifically provisions setting a deadline to prohibit the manufacture and sale of children's products that contain lead and phthalates.

The negative health effects of both these substances have been extensively documented and studied. Research has found phthalates exposure linked to decreased fertility capacity in men, premature birth in women, and asthma symptoms in children. In 2005, a University of Rochester School of Medicine study found that pregnant women with high levels of phthalates in their urine were more likely to give birth to boys with birth defects.

Ingestion and inhalation of lead has long been known to cause damage to the nervous system, with young children especially vulnerable. Lead poisoning can cause blood and brain disorders, as well as gastrointestinal, reproductive, and kidney problems. Although the number of children with elevated blood lead levels has decreased over the past several decades, the treatment of lead poisoning accounts for the vast majority of the $43.4 billion spent on pediatric environmental disease.

To combat childhood exposure to these substances, Congress passed, and the President signed into law, H.R.4040 in the summer of 2008. Provisions of this law require that beginning February 10, 2009, manufacturers of children's products cannot sell children's products that violate lead standards or contain phthalates.

Since passage, many companies and individuals, particularly small manufacturers, have expressed concern that these requirements present a significant hardship. While they express agreement with the need to restrict lead and phthalates, they have asked for some aspects of the legislation to be re-evaluated.

I supported passage of H.R.4040 and strongly agree with the need to keep these dangerous substances away from children. The Consumer Product Safety Commission’s Office of General Counsel has also concluded that products containing high lead content cannot be sold after February 10, 2009. As it relates to phthalates, Congress created a consumer product safety standard which will apply to products manufactured after February 10, 2009. However, as Congress further examines this issue, I will work to see that this legislation does not adversely hurt Ohio’s small business and manufacturing community. Additionally, while I am not currently a member of the Senate Commerce Committee, which has primary jurisdiction over consumer product safety, I will share concerns I have received from constituents with relevant individuals. Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely,
Sherrod Brown

I got the same message, which is stupid

Universally rendering worthless $ trillions in personal property on the small risk that some of it may have lead, that the stupid US Government knowingly allowed stupid companies to sell to defenseless humans, is astoundingly stupid.

And Sherrod Brown's form response is stupid... it does not at all address the issue raised in my letter and lumps my concerns with those of manufacturers, which is inaccurate.

Very disappointing from someone we need to lead with intelligence.

The idea that the government accepts at any level solutions that do not identify lead risks and remove them from society is stupid.

Shutting down the exchange and sale of $ trillions of real personal property - the clothes and toys we do not need, as parents, seems a violation of our individual civil rights.

There should be a global registry of all products known to contain lead, and the US federal government and other governments that allowed production and distribution of lead should pay all costs to test products and maintain the registry (perhaps a good business opportunity for Ohio, if we aren't in the pocket of Sherwin Williams and Jones Day, already in litigation worldwide for lead poisoning the Earth). 

That any products intended for children or homes that may have children - or even adults - have contained any lead, in the last 30 years, is a universal disgrace. The people who profited from these products should go to jail, and their fortunes and companies liquidated and the funds used to make restitution.

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IS THERE A Pb CHEMIST IN THE HOUSE?

Norm et al,

This "no lead or phthalates in clothing" legislation strikes me as a good first step in the right direction.

Frankly, I had never thought about lead being in fabrics against my skin, so  the revelation that I could be absorbing lead/phthalates via my clothes is a wake up call.   

AND THIS LEGISLATION IS AN OPORTUNITY FOR A NEW TESTING PRODUCT!

Who will be the entrepreneur who develops an eye dropper and a chemically active back-up paper sheet that drips a solution of a hidden piece of the garment and then collects the leachate  on a specially color activated back-up paper?    Who will make a fortune protecting the public clothing wearer against lead/phthalates?

Rather than rant against global corporations and unresponsive legislators who is going to solve this public health issue CHEAPLY with a little combo lead/phthalate test kit or gadget?

Producing forward moving economic results is one of the primary purposes of REALNEO.  

Identify the problem, identify the need for a solution, identify the solution.

Who among the realneo audience will pick up the challenge?

correction

I posted this to the wrong thread and because someone replied I cannot move it, bit it is gremane to this discussion - sorry.

CPSC Clarifies Requirements

global registry

There should be a global registry of all products known to contain lead, and the US federal government and other governments that allowed production and distribution of lead should pay all costs to test products and maintain the registry.

 But, of course, that makes too much sense...and as impersonal as the response may be, it is a response...so I give Sherrod Brown that much credit.  Now, for action...I will write him with your suggestion Norm :)

There are major opportunities in lead

From lead certified contracting to testing services, testing technologies and test registries, there is lots of money to be made in addressing lead poisoning

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LEAD reprieve

  From a colleague:

http://www.ala.org/ala/alonline/currentnews/newsarchive/2009/January2009/leadlawstayed.cfm
Children’s Books Get One-Year Stay from Anti-Lead Law
Librarians can breathe a sigh of relief in the wake of a one-year stay of enforcement on having to test for lead in books geared to youngsters under the age of 12. The extension until February 10, 2010, puts an end to the nightmare scenario envisioned by some in the library community of having to either ban children from their facilities or cordon off the book collections in youth services areas until federal regulators concede that children’s literature complies with the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act.