Cleveland Thermal vs Steelers - Lights on for what?

Submitted by Jeff Buster on Thu, 12/10/2009 - 21:12.

12.10.09 image jeff buster from west end of Lorain Bridge neighborhood

Anyone know why the lights at the corporate baseball diamond are on tonight?

Who pays the electric bill at the Jake?

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I don't have an answer...

to your question, Jeff.  But, that's a beautiful photo. 

I swear to God, you and Laura need to put together some sort of group exhibition.


 I'm guessing that there's

 I'm guessing that there's a corporate football game going on at the same time so they wanted to keep their stadium relevant in any potential ariel shots taken by main stream media cameras. I believe it's called advertising.

But there's probably a conspiracy in there somewhere, keep digging RealNEO community! 

The Conspiracy Theorist is at the PD

A boring old white Chirstian-fundamentalist Republican fart named Kevin O'Brien... believes in nothing but divine intervention and miracles.

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Sustainable Cleveland Burns 4 Mega Watt Hours 4 Eye Candy

Hello Tim, I think you hit the nail on the head - ADVERTIZING!

While Mayor Jackson goes after short trash change (the trash charge is purely a hypocritical psychological maneuver to make citizens feel they are all responsibly shouldering Cleveland’s fiscal burden), and Andrew Waterson talks sustainability trash, and Cleveland claims it is a Green City on a Blue lake, tons of carbon dioxide are produced by the wasted lights on Progressive Field – for nothing.    
Now I will bet my monthly electric bill that the electric bill for Wahoo Field is paid by the City of Cleveland – and thus City taxpayers.  So while the Indians talk green on their web site, they are actually talking out of both sides of their mouth. The GE metal halide lamps are hung on 19 duplex pole supports.   In 1999 Roldo reported that at that time there were a total of approximately 650 bulbs.   At 1,500 watts each, lighting the field requires 975,000 watts.   This does not include ballast, line, transformer and other losses, so when the lights are on over ONE MEGAWATT (one million watts) of electrical power is being consumed.  If the lights are on for 4 hours, that’s 4 MILLION watt hours of electricity consumed.
The average household uses approximately 1,000 kilowatt hours of electricity per month (look at your bill, it will show your monthly consumption) then how many Cleveland households could have free energy for a month if the Field wasn’t illuminated last night?  
So while Progressive and the Indians claim “green”, and the City of Cleveland talks |”sustainability” it is clear that both these claims are a sham. 
Question 1: Who told who to turn on the lights at Progressive’s Wahoo Field last night?
Question 2: How much did the lighting cost?
Question 3: Who pays the bill?
Best, jeffb


Excellent and useful analysis Jeff

This is the type of insight I love to see on REALNEO and in the public mindspace.

I was in Playhouse Square at the Cleveland Foundation's building one afternoon and there were posted in the elevators notices to the tenants in the building reminding them to leave their lights on that night... it was a city-wide campaign to show life for some such national TV event - perhaps the VP Debate... Millions MWHs wasted, and certainly not appearing progressive to the world... like people think Clevelanders are working downtown at 9PM, or that there is a baseball game going on in the dead of winter... this advertises that we are stupid and irresponsible

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Mystery solved-Lights, Browns, Steelers

TimH is right--the lights at Jacobs Field...I don't even know what they call it now...are on for the benefit of television viewers.  Who pays the light bill? 

At LEAST, the Browns won last night. 

I have noticed crazy, big downtown light shows before, too--thanks for catching this JeffB.  You also caught the spotlight photo and I believe that the use of these night sky spots is illegal due to the hazard they pose to flights overhead.

could have been celebrating the forgone preconclusion the Browns

Or it could have been celebrating the forgone pre-conclusion the Browns were going to win since the Steelers were missing Troy Polamalu, William Gay and Charlie Batch along with half their offensive line. Heinz Ward, Mendenhall and Roethlisberger were not 100% and they had to sign a new wide receiver before the game....

and the game was in Cleveland....
aND it was 14 fricking degrees (below zero with wind chill)....

but it was nice to see the Browns break that losing streak - even tho I am a die hard Steelers fan!

 Wow, that's quite a

 Wow, that's quite a laundry list of excuses!

You do realize that the Browns have plenty of their "best" players on the IR and some of the stars who beat Pittsburgh last night were undrafted former practice squad players, right?


Browns have had a rough year.

Like I said, its a win-win when the Browns beat the Steelers.

and they needed a high note on the end of their season! Steelers certainly had their share of high notes last year - what was that - Super Bowl ring number SIX? damn!

please show your mind by voting on this poll, as well

I added a poll on this important matter here - please show your mind by voting on this poll, as well.

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I wrote about the use of the

I wrote about the use of the lights at night on non-ball game evenings long ago. On non-game evenings when the Terrace Club at the stadium had events, usually non-profit agencies having a party of some type, the lights would be lit so that those in attendance could look out at the stadium, as bright as a game night. Jacobs liked to have the stadium noticed, naturally, as did the paying attendees to these evening events.

I believe now that the teams - Indians & Cavs owners - pay Gateway for operational costs so it is likely  the electric bill actually gets picked up indirectly by the teams.

There are always circumstances that make it difficult to really assess who pays  what. Since the new understandings, the teams take the revenue from naming rights, which should be nearly $1 million a year in exchange for the payments to cover Gateway's operational costs. So it may even out.

Here's a bit of trivia I wrote about long ago. Jacobs took the old bulbs that got burned out from the field lights, put them on a wooden board and sold them  to fans for $100 or so.

Major league sports and sports economics really are over the top here and elsewhere but fans apparently are willing to pay the costs, as out of proportion they are to reality, especially in these tough times.

What about the birds?

A few years ago at a meeting of Entrepreneurs for Sustainability the future of wind turbines along the shore of Lake Eire was lauded. After the presentation I went over to David Beach, (now head of Green City Blue Lake), and asked him, "What about the birds?"

He responded by sending me several links to research done on what is killing birds in flight. As I discovered the birds are far more likely to strike a large building with lights blazing at night than the blades of a spinning wind turbine.

I wonder if after one of these nights of a well lit Progressive Baseball Field if they sweep up piles of dead birds under the light polls before members of the public arrive.

bird count

You point out an important concern. Migrating birds fly at night, how many are casualties of the lights? This light is confusing to the local birds, too. Besides the waste of resources, light pollution isn't good for any of us. When we had the great blackout several years ago, that night, the sky reappeared above us in the city. It was absolutely beautiful and amazing.